first and goal and brady's throw, too high. went back to branch who was -- but there was lewis, running with him. phil: top of the screen. branch released inside. the football gets away from tom brady. jim: for those of you expecting to see "60 minutes," you're watching the nfl on cbs. patriots-steelers. "60 minutes" will be seen in its entirety right after the game except on the west coast. branch was hurt on that last play. so price has replaced him. and this time, it's going to be on vollmer. referee: false start, offense, number 76. five-yard penalty. still second.

jim: it's the fourth false start of the day for new england. phil: well, when you watch this drive so far, this is to me, they crispest drive that new england has had all day. the only long drive. tom brady getting time the receivers have separated for him in most of these plays. jim: it's second and goal. he's got the time. and he's got the target. gronkowski caught it on the goal line and they say he was not across. phil: i thought he might have been across but they're beginning to go with the hurry up here. bill belichick would have to challenge. since it was not ruled a touchdown. jim: boy, sure did look like he caught it right on the goal line. breaking the plane. phil: not only that, it's taken away a lot of time.

jim: third and goal. and bouncing back, faulk, he was hit by ryan clark. so reminiscent of that long ago fourth down throw against indianapolis. phil: looks like it's going to be a touchdown. ryan clark, how about that speed and reaction? to come up there and make that hit. jim: mark it on the 1. branch is back in. branch is back in. fourth and goal. brady's pass is -- it was

intercepted by money-day but it's going to be a call it looks like against pittsburgh. -- money day but it's going to be a call looks like against pittsburgh. referee: holding, defense. number 29. half the distance to the goal. automatic first down. phil: in the slot, mundy against gronkowski. yes, two hands around the waist. jim: the penalty keeps him in the game. and gronkowski was celebrate the flag even before it was picked. here was the pass to gronkowski. phil: oh. there we go. it was a touchdown. possession of the football immediately clean catch. new england still has three

time-outs. and a two-minute warning if they score whether they have a chance to get it back. jim: the pressure, the pass. it's caught by hernandez for the touchdown. phil: jim, you just go back to that penalty. if mundy is not holding gronkowski, he's going to run under the football for that touchdown. jim: the drive down the field after the missed field goal in three minutes, 38 seconds. extra point good.

phil: jim, let's go back and watch that touchdown by tom brady. here's hernandez. he's just going to go up and work across. watch the other guys cross him and see what tom brady sees. so he goes back. the steelers are passing it off. look what that got. 77 across the field. but it's hard to stay with all of them. and there is aaron hernandez in the back of the end zone. so we had three receivers crossing and it's hard for the defense to say i'll let him go. you cover him. you can't do that with three of them. and a good job by tom brady retreating and finding hernandez in the back of the end zone. patriots, one of the best in football, probably the best team. they get more receivers on the back of the end zone line and run across it than anybody. jim: now will they -- with 2:35 to play, will they onside kick it here? they have three time-outs.

talking about the patriots. should they just go zphade try to rely on their defense? phil: i would kick it off. jim: that's brown deep. phil: i would kick it deep, jim. the two-minute warning, three time-outs. put the pressure on the steelers. can they make them make the call? obvious you onside kick and it do not get it, you got to go a long way for that touchdown drive. jim: i say brown is deep. he's only at the 20. steelers have 10 guys up front. oh, it is an onside kick and it is poorly executed. traveled only seven yards. phil: probably a favorite onside kick. just a little push straight ahead. we've seen him do it before. scotty o'brien, the special teams coordinator. i didn't see what the flag was for. could it have been offsides by

the patriots? yeah, this is natural grass, not the turf that new england has. so it's not going to bounce and roll as much here as it would at home. referee: there are two fouls. both on the kicking team, offsides, left ring and illegal touching on the dead ball spot. so five-yard penalty from the dead ball spot. first down. jim: he topped it. the last time the patriot franchise had a successful onside kick was 1994. they've never had one in the belichick era at new england. phil: i was showing you what they were trying to do there, jim. they were going to cross-block in front of gostkowski. so they would do the blocking. he would kick and it recover. jim: the last time the patriots

recovered an onside kick, it came against belichick. when he was the cleveland coach in a playoff game in 1994. throw. and it's johnson. he makes sure he stays inbounds and he's tackled at the 30. and patrick chung ises to it had aside by heath miller. phil: good call by the patriots there. you have to stay depreaf. jim: some of the early headlines. how about the rams' first win? yes, they shot the -- shocked the saints today. they ray rice helps lead baltimore. biggest comeback in ravens history. they'll be here next week. and the giants were down most of the day to miami.

the dolphins staying winless and look down at the bottom of eli manning's magnificent numbers. 349, 2-0. phil: four weeks ago, he threw the ball as well as i've ever seen him throw in his football career he continued what he was doing two weeks ago. jim: speaking of numbers, roethlisberger with a season high today, 365. phil: i would not be -- it would not be surprising to see a play-action here. against this defense. jim: second and 3. we're going to -- with an yard of the first. and now another time-out. new england's left with one. next week, regional action. the jets will be up at buffalo. the bills coming off a shutout

victory today. they blanked washington 23-0 to go to 5-2. jets will be coming off a bye. and cleveland-houston, miami-kansas city. some will see their action late. all beginning with "the nfl today" at noon eastern time presented by southwest airlines. [the captioning on this program is provided as an independent service of the national captioning institute, inc., which is solely responsible for the accurate and complete transcription of the program content. cbs, its parent and affiliated companies, and their respective agents and divisions are not responsible for the accuracy or completeness of any transcription or for any errors in transcription.] [captioning made possible by cbs sports, a division of cbs cbs sports, a division of cbs broadcasting, inc.] jim: third and 1. and that may in fact be the question.

depends on the spot. phil: that was full steam ahead, wasn't it? jim: yeah, redman running with it. they'll get belichick on the far side looking down the line. boy, it would set up a really interesting call here. if it made a field goal, you would have a two-score advantage. and if you go ahead and go for it and get it, you close out the game. this is redman. phil: look at that blocking upfront. warren knocked down there. pretty good surge by the steelers offensive line in a known situation. jim: so basically be a clincher here if they've got the first. and it is a first down for pittsburgh.

redman, straight ahead. there's warren, 98. phil: good shot. warren getting in there. spikes. albert haynesworth. those are three pretty good run storms. jim: new england takes its last time-out on this side of the two-minute warning. phil: and isaac redman, just looking at him. we even talked to mike tomlin about the running backs. they have the fine roles. not surprising they gave the football to him in that situation. jim: they've added a couple of seconds on the clock, 2:10. but new england cannot stop the clock again. just the two-minute warning. 220 total yards today by the vaunted patriot offense. steelers defense, dick lebeau, they've not had the better of it

on most of these occasions against them. phil: i'm sorry, jim. i just want to -- but it shows you why you have to be so aggressive when you're ahead of the patriots. all that's going on today, if they don't pick this situation up, it would be tough for the steelers to stop them. jim: that's redman again and this time, back up a yard. and it will bring it to the two-minute warning. 23-17, pittsburgh, with two 23-17, pittsburgh, with two minutes to play. ♪ $5 ♪ $5 ♪ $5 footlong ♪ any, anytober ♪ $5 ♪ $5 ♪ $5 footlong ♪ any, anytober ♪ you ca-ca can't go wrong [ male announcer ] october's now anytober! any regular footlong's a $5 footlong! any, startin' at 7am! even the scrumptious steak egg & cheese and the tasterrific turkey breast. subway. eat fresh... all day long. ixixixix-speed automatic transmission that changes gears so efficiently... and the tasterrific turkey breast.

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jim: to on cbs begins with the "60 minutes" interview of the madoff family. followed by a new "amazing race." "the good wife" and "c.s.i.: miami" only on cbs. that was the last first down that they picked up was their 29th of the day and the steelers now have a second and 11. again, patriots without time-outs. ben backing up. and dropped at the 39 by kyle

love. phil: that means nothing. that was a good job trying to kill time and of course, they may be taking a chance. if they don't cover anybody they'll throw it out there. jim: again they third and 22 coming up. so new england could still get it back. baltimore comes in here next week. and then at cincinnati before a late bye for the steelers. phil: cincinnati's winning today. so that will be -- they could be 5-2. their defense is doing really well too. jim: and roethlisberger, knocked back again, this time by vince wilfork. and mark anderson has got an little sloppy to be able to one this down to 30 seconds and brady says at least give me some kind of chance here, even if i have no time-outs.

phil: not enough time and he does the right thing. take the sack. i don't think they would have tried a long field goal anyway, jim. jim: first punt of the day for daniel sepulveda. seventh year out of north carolina, greg warren will snap it back. phil: take a delay of game. make sure you punt it so there's no return. out of bounds or in the end out of bounds or in the end zone. phil: it's pretty amazing though when you watch games against good teams, managing the game at the end, how important it is not to make even the slightest

mistakes as a head coach. jim: brady warming up. and sepulveda after a brief official conference will be sending it down to wes welker. pittsburgh and new orleans, the only two teams coming into the week in the league that would not allow a punt return of 15 yards. welker comes up and hit right away. brown was there to meet him at the 22. 19 seconds to play. phil: what you do, i would think all the new england patriots want to do, if you can throw the football inside, they're going to give you a completion. complete it, run up, spike the football and just one chance to

throw it to the end zone some if he gets up near the 40, 45, tom brady can reach the end zone on the last play of the game. jim: ball's out. it's kicked into the end zone. and it is recovered in the back of the end zone and out of bounds. ziggy hood came up with it. it was keisel who knocked it out. put up two for pittsburgh. it'll be a safety.

phil: keisel just keeps working. referee: please put six seconds on the game clock. jim: it was polamalu and maybe he just knowingly punched it towards the end zone. that ball came darting out of there. watch polamalu. what did he do here? oh, yeah. phil: oh, yeah, he did. jim: what a heads-up play. phil: well, that's illegal. but how could you see it happen so fast? when i saw it here live, i thought well, ok, they could have been one of the defenders. jim: so why can't they review it upstairs then? phil: you can't review a penalty. jim: but it's a scoring play. phil: i know, but it's a penalty. it's like if you scored, and you thought it was pass interference, well, you can't review it. referee: for review of the previous play with instant replay. jim: well, they are going to review it.

it was not a penalty just to clarify what you're saying. phil: ziggy hood, to see if he recovered it. recovered it. no, he is out of bounds. phil: but when you review this, jim, what i'm saying is you can't say oh, that was a penalty on it so we're going to reverse the call or whatever. so he's clearly out of bounds when you watch that recovery. wow. we didn't see troy polamalu's name a lot today but we saw couple of big tackles.

jim: i'm actually wondering since it was a pittsburgh player who bad in the back of the end zone, why it could be considered a safety, a touchback. for you rules book -- rulebook aficionado, this is a doozy right here. did rule book -- this is a doozy right here. phil: well you can't bat the football forward like that, jim. why? remember the oakland raiders and stabler -- casper. there we go. jim: 1978 down in san diego at the end of that game. better knowns the holy roller. and the review is about whether

or not it was recovered in the or not it was recovered in the end zone. phil: i still think it was the safety. referee: the ruling on the field is confirmed the defender did not have complete control when his foot was out of bounds. it's a same. please put eight second on the game clock. eighty seconds on the game clock, please. jim: now all we have, eight seconds to go. and new england will be kicking and new england will be kicking it from its own 20.

phil: but what a day for the steelers. what a day as ben roethlisberger, jim, as well as they've played in offense, the focus is, too, what they did on the defensive side. even though this is a -- this can still be an onside kick. jim: and that was out of bounds. 0-2 in that department. phil: that was a new one. did you see that one? that was a dropkick. which is legal. jim: they -- rip out of bounds. replay at the out of bounds spot. first down. jim: dropkick extra point. last week of the regular season a few years back. phil: what you can do with that dropkick in this situation, you can get more height on that try to give your defense. since he's bouncing on the

ground, makes it legal to give you a better chance to recover the onside kick. but not only how the steelers play, a big part of the story is when it's over too, the injury to lamarr woodley, to go along with all the other missing defensive plays. jim: the pittsburgh steelers take it here. 25-17. coming up next, "60 minutes," followed by the "amazing race". then "the good wife" followed by "c.s.i.: miami." so for phil simms and all the crew, jim nantz saying so long from pittsburgh. you've been watching the nfl on you've been watching the nfl on cbs.

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years in prison, his family has had to deal with the consequences of his crimes-- his wife, ruth, divested of most of her great wealth and derided by a suspicious world; their son mark, dead, driven to suicide by shame and accusations of guilt; their other son andrew isolated, trying to live with the disgrace. are they innocent or were they willing partners? for the first time since bernie madoff's arrest, his son andrew and wife ruth speak out about crime, punishment, and the shame of being a madoff. it's a tough name to live with. >> ruth madoff: it sure is. >> safer: ruth madoff... do you feel the shame? >> ruth madoff: of course i feel the shame. i can barely walk down the street without worrying about people recognizing me. >> safer: ...and andrew madoff. >> andrew madoff: from the very beginning of this whole episode, i've had absolutely nothing to hide.

and i've been eager, i would say almost desperate, to speak out publicly and tell people that i'm absolutely not involved. >> safer: andrew and ruth madoff speak out in the book "truth and consequences," a more or less tell-all arranged by andrew's fianceée, catherine hooper, an attempt to separate the family from the father's crimes. is it dismaying for you that, no matter what you say, people aren't going to believe you? >> catherine hooper: i think, in many ways, it is dismaying, but public opinion has to be something that doesn't matter to us. what matters to us is the truth. >> safer: it's really hard for people to believe that you didn't know-- that you/must/have known. >> ruth madoff: i... i can't explain it. i mean, i trusted him. why would it ever occur to me that it wasn't legal? the business was... his reputation was almost legendary. why would i ever think that

there was something sinister going on? >> safer: it was 1954 when ruth alpern met bernie madoff in queens, new york. >> ruth madoff: i just saw him and i was sort of swept away, i think. >> safer: she married him at age 18. they had two sons, mark, then andrew. bernie was building up his money management business, a typical middle class family living on long island. >> ruth madoff: we were both solid parents and valued our family, and so proud of our boys. it was a dream, really. >> andrew madoff: my father was certainly present as a dad. >> safer: did he emphasize moral values at all? >> andrew madoff: i wouldn't say that we sort of explicitly discussed values. but we certainly lived what i felt was a moral life, where

there was a clear sense of right and wrong. >> safer: exactly when bernie madoff went wrong is unclear, but as his reputation for delivering steady profits grew, the madoffs began living the good life-- a penthouse in manhattan, homes in palm beach and the south of france, and yachts in both places. the family became celebrated for philanthropy and madoff became a wall street big shot. >> andrew madoff: he was a big figure in the industry. he was the chairman of nasdaq. he was constantly being honored as "man of the year" of this organization and that, and that... that had an... an effect on me. >> safer: both sons went to work as traders for their father's firm in the late '80s, a time authorities believe madoff's ponzi scheme was well under way. why would your father want to taint his sons by bringing them into a situation that could well spell disaster?

>> andrew madoff: you know, that's... that's a great question, and that's something that... that i really agonize over, as a son. you know, what my father did was so horrible, it's hard for me to understand that. and i'm not any closer to understanding it now than i was three years ago. >> safer: bernard l. madoff securities employed over a hundred people, but it seemed like a family business. his brother peter and several cousins worked there, mark and andrew worked on the 19th floor of new york's lipstick building, where they legitimately traded securities for the firm and for outside clients. the investment advisory business-- the ponzi scheme-- was housed two floors below, where their father never made any trades at all. he was simply creating phony paper statements that showed steady profits for his clients-- his victims.

access to the 17th floor was highly restricted. you must have been curious about why the 17th floor was such a secret place. when you or mark asked him about his end of the business, what did he say? >> andrew madoff: it was always a very similar response. it was, "you guys have your business to worry about, and let me worry about my business." and the conversation would end there. >> safer: but people say, "look, there's no way these kids could not have had... at the very least, suspected something was going on." >> andrew madoff: well, keep in mind these were completely separate businesses. we were executing hundreds of thousands of transactions a day. and that kept all of us incredibly busy. and it just didn't occur to me that he could be involved in any kind of criminal activity. >> safer: andrew says his father would often walk his clients through the 19th floor to show actual trades being made.

you feel that the legitimacy of the trading business offered protection to what your father was doing. >> andrew madoff: absolutely. absolutely. >> safer: that he was using you and your brother? >> andrew madoff: absolutely. it was one of the hardest things to come to grips with, in trying to get my head around this, was that feeling that i had been used almost as... as a human shield by him. he... it's... it's unforgivable. no... no father should do that to their sons. >> bernie madoff: you know, the basic concept of wall street... >> safer: he says he thought his father was a financial genius. there were suspicions about madoff's remarkably consistent returns, but the s.e.c. repeatedly cleared him of any wrongdoing. what troubled andrew was his father's refusal to discuss any plans for a succession. >> andrew madoff: his plan was that he had no plan. and he would say that, when he dies, his end of the business dies.

and again, it was always the... the same response-- "that's the way it is and it's not going to change." >> safer: he ruled with an iron fist, but kept everyone happy with money-- steady returns for investors, and for family, an endless stream of cash. andrew and mark were paid multi- million dollar salaries, and the boys went to their father for even more-- for houses, business ventures, and divorce settlements. catherine hooper says the madoff benign dictatorship took some getting used to. >> hooper: it was an adjustment, getting to understand that the boundaries in andrew's family were probably going to be different than what i was used to. >> safer: did you feel that papa madoff was the boss? >> hooper: there's no question that he was. >> ruth madoff: he could be a bully, without question. >> safer: but did you ever suspect, along the way, either strange behavior or somebody who was bottling up a secret or any of that? >> ruth madoff: i never did. i never did.

it didn't seem that way. there was nothing that would make me suspect anything. sometimes, i look back and i think, as the years went on, he started to get more and more short-tempered, and maybe he was just having trouble. obviously, he had to have been. >> safer: in the fall of 2008, the world economy began to implode and markets were in free fall. big investors wanted out. redemption after redemption strained madoff's scheme to its limits. on december 10, 2008, with only a few hundred million left of the billions invested with him, madoff realized the game was over. he told his wife to transfer $10 million from her brokerage account at the firm into a personal checking account. did you not wonder, "what on earth is happening here?" $10 million is a lot of money. >> ruth madoff: it wasn't atypical for him to put money in

an account and take it out. i didn't think anything of it, actually. >> safer: that same morning, bernard madoff called a family meeting in his office. >> andrew madoff: and he started to try and speak to us, and he couldn't. he sort of fell apart, started to cry a little bit. and it was shocking to see that. i mean, this was not a man who was emotional in that way at all. he said that maybe it would be easier if we talked elsewhere, and suggested maybe we should go up to his apartment. >> ruth madoff: he called from the office and said, "i'm coming home with the boys. i have something to talk about." came in, we went into a room, four of us, and he said, "i have a confession to make. i've been running a ponzi scheme." he said, "$50 billion."

>> andrew madoff: he said, "everything i've been doing is all a big lie." he said... he said, "the business is... is a ponzi scheme and it... the firm is completely insolvent. and i'm broke." and then he just started sobbing. and i was... i was shocked. it was... i felt like my head exploded. i mean, i don't think, if he had told me he was an alien, i could've been more surprised. he said that the firm had liabilities of $50 billion. it never occurred to me that his business had anything like that under management. it was... it was shocking. >> safer: your mother, what was her reaction? >> andrew madoff: she looked... she looked shocked. she asked... "what's a ponzi scheme?" was her first question. she didn't even understand that. i think it was me who answered,

and said that, "it means that it's all fake. that dad's, you know, his... he's not been doing what he says he's been doing." and he followed that up and said, "yes, i've been lying to all of you all of these years. i've been lying to everybody. i've been lying to myself," he said, and... >> safer: and your brother? >> andrew madoff: my brother was trembling with rage. he was absolutely furious. mark was the first one to stand up and said, you know, "i'm out of here," and he stormed out of the room. and i... i immediately followed him and walked out. >> safer: you know, there's a lot of people out there who are saying, or will be saying as they watch this, "this is all a charade. this was something that the madoffs set up to get themselves off the hook." this... >> andrew madoff: i wish it were. i wish it were. i wish none of this was real. you know, i knew... i knew absolutely nothing about this before my father shared the

information with me, and it was... it was the most shocking and terrible moment of my life. >> ruth madoff: i was as stunned as they. i was kind of paralyzed. bernie got up and said, "i'm going back to the office." >> safer: was he emotional in any way? >> ruth madoff: i don't remember that, either. he must have been. >> safer: apologetic in any way? >> ruth madoff: probably, yes. i... sort of a blank now. i'm not hedging here, i don't... i just simply don't remember every detail, i was in such a state. >> safer: but later that day, that evening, you both turned up at the office christmas party. >> ruth madoff: i know. he phoned me from the office and said, "we have to go to the office christmas party." so i got myself together and went over there. we stayed a half an hour, and we just went home. and the next morning, the fbi was there to arrest him, about 7:00 a.m.

>> safer: andrew and mark madoff had turned their father in. shortly after the arrest, ruth madoff called andrew, pleading with him to co-sign his father's $10 million bail bond. >> andrew madoff: and i said, you know, "forget it. there's no way." i mean, "how could you even ask that question?" no, i'm not signing that... that bail bond. that's crazy." and i was really... i was very upset that she asked, because here i had just turned my father in to the authorities a day before and, now, it appeared that i was losing my mother, as well, because she was siding with him. >> ruth madoff: i just wanted him to come home. i was so afraid. >> safer: afraid of? >> ruth madoff: i mean, the whole idea, going to prison is sort of unthinkable to me. i don't think i ever knew anybody that went to prison. >> mr. madoff, what do you have to say for yourself? >> safer: bail was eventually guaranteed by ruth and madoff's

brother peter, and bernie was released. all of his assets were frozen, but in a stunning breach of the court order barring the transfer of property, a large and extremely valuable envelope arrived at andrew madoff's apartment. >> andrew madoff: i tore open the envelope and... and dumped it out. and it was absolutely heartbreaking. these were pieces of jewelry that i recognized, things that i had seen my mother wearing over the... over the years. and i couldn't... i couldn't understand how she could do this. i mean, what were they thinking? and it wasn't until three years later that i had a chance to ask her, "what were you thinking when you sent me that jewelry? i don't understand." and she told me that she and my father had planned to kill themselves, and they put

together that package beforehand and sent it out. >> safer: did they try to kill themselves? >> andrew madoff: yes, they did. >> ruth madoff: i don't know who... whose idea it was. but we decided to kill ourselves, because it was... it was so horrendous what was happening. we had terrible phone calls, hate mail, just beyond anything. and i said, "i can't... i just can't go on anymore." that's when i packed up some things to send to my sons and my grandchildren. i had some lovely antique things and things that i thought they might want. i mailed them. it was christmas eve-- that added to the whole depression-- and we took pills and woke up the next day. >> safer: what did you take? >> ruth madoff: i think ambien. >> safer: how many? >> ruth madoff: i don't even remember. i had... i took what we had, he

took more. >> safer: did you leave notes? >> ruth madoff: no. it was very impulsive, and i'm glad we woke up. >> safer: but you must have talked... this is a rather large decision to make. >> ruth madoff: it wasn't hard, at the time. it was impulsive, and i just wanted out. >> safer: when we come back, life in the madoff apartment and the death of a son. >> cbs moneywatch update:. >> good evening. with one day to go in october, the s&p 500 is about to record its best month since 1974. europe today ruled on concessions to china in return for aid in the debt crisis. and australian court ordered an end to a labor dispute that grounded quantis airlines and pus in boots won the weekend box office.

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>> safer: the sheer scale of bernard madoff's ponzi scheme shocked the world. thousands of individuals, charities and funds that, on paper, were worth a total of $65 billion were wiped out. what's more, some of his closest friends and family who had trusted him with their life savings faced ruin. >> 30 seconds, babe. >> safer: with madoff under house arrest, the world staked out his penthouse on 64th street, obsessed by what might be happening behind the drawn shades. >> ruth madoff: there were lawyers coming for meetings at the apartment. we watched a lot of television, and i cooked. >> safer: was there remorse? was there... >> ruth madoff: yes, there was remorse. >> safer: was there guilt or was it sort of self-pity?

>> ruth madoff: i think, in a way, he was relieved, at the beginning, that he was finished. >> safer: but you must have asked yourself a thousand times, "why?" you could have been a perfectly comfortable, even wealthy family... >> ruth madoff: without question. >> safer: ...without this. >> ruth madoff: i don't understand it. i don't... it's hard for me to say this, but i don't think the money was the part of it. i think he got stuck-- that's what he said. and he didn't have the courage to face... face things when they might have been able to be faced on a much smaller scale. >> safer: madoff repeatedly told authorities that he had acted alone... >> did your wife have anything to do with this, sir? >> get out of here. >> safer: ...that his family knew nothing. but who would believe bernie madoff? >> hooper: i remember, at some point, we were having breakfast and i said to andrew, "you know, people will think that you were involved."

and i think it had dawned on him, but it really hadn't sunk in. and as i said those words, he looked at me and said, "do you really think that that won't last? i mean, it'll become clear very quickly that we weren't involved." >> safer: did you have any suspicion at all that your mother might have been involved, complicit in some way? >> andrew madoff: no. absolutely not. i never for a moment felt that my mother was involved in my father's crimes or was aware of it at all. >> safer: the rest of the world was skeptical. while countless stories predicted the imminent arrest of mark, andrew, and their uncle peter... >> do you have anything to say to the investors? >> ruth madoff: no, i don't. >> safer: ...ruth madoff seemed to get the worst of it. it was said she had an office at the firm, that she had been the bookkeeper. >> ruth madoff: i was the bookkeeper, i was the receptionist. i worked for bernie in 1961, when i graduated from college. and i left in 1963, when mark was born, and then andy. and i was a stay-at-home mom all

those years. and later on, when the boys started to work there, we lived within walking distance, and i had an office there where i took care of decorating things and house things and bills and managing those things. but i was never the bookkeeper after 1963. >> safer: probably a majority of people can't believe that you can live with someone for 50 years and not know... >> ruth madoff: it's hard for me to believe, too. >> safer: had you known, would you have turned him in? >> ruth madoff: i'm glad i didn't. that would have been tough, but i... i would have left. whether i'd turn him in or not, i don't know. i like to think i would have, but i... i couldn't say. i'm being completely honest with you, i have to say. >> safer: she was vilified and

shunned, harassed on the subway. the press hounded her with headline after headline. her fiercest critics were her own sons. from the time of your father's confession, i gather you had a certain degree of estrangement from your mother. how come? >> andrew madoff: well, she and i barely spoke for two years. i struggled tremendously trying to understand her decision to stay by my father's side. i felt so angry with him, so i didn't understand her choice and i struggled with it, as did mark. >> ruth madoff: i never thought of leaving. i don't know why i didn't. i just knew this man for so long, whom i loved for so many years. i didn't know what else to do but stay there.